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The Patriotic Nigras (also known by the initialism PN) are a group of griefers in the online world of Second Life.^[4]

While the PN are known mainly for the disruption of Second Life and its users, they have also established themselves on the video sharing website YouTube, where they have posted videos of their activities including server raids. Their method of attack ranges from trolling a group or individual to the manipulation of the in-game scripting engine, where they perform such activities as showering their targets with boxes covered in internet memes and shock images. These boxes then produce storms of graphical particles that block the victim's vision. They have also created avatars similar to those of the residents being harassed and destroyed them in gruesome ways to simulate a virtual death.^[5] The Patriotic Nigras have also caused the crashing of several Second Life regions (or 'simulators') by using self-replicating objects that overload the processing power of the computer running them.^[4][6]

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Properly characterizing the Patriotic Nigras has proven difficult for critics and researchers who have observed their activities from within their raids and from afar. The group has been described as a nonpolitical online terrorist group whose central motivation is described by the term 'lulz'.^[1][7][8] Others have identified quasi-political motivations such as the effort to hinder the entry of corporations into Second Life,^[9] and yet others have identified their activities as nihilistic or even agonistic online branches of the political avant-garde.^[1] The DHRA has also described them as a prime example of online criminal gang culture including spillover effects into real life gang activity.^[10] The group has been linked to internet group Anonymous as both a sub-group^[11] and an early progenitor iteration.^[12] They have been described as /b/tards (a group affiliated with 4chan), members of SomethingAwful.com,^[13] and as an offspring of the W-Hats griefer group (itself an offshoot of the Goons).^[14] The PN make casual use of racist, sexist, and homophobic terminology which some researchers dismiss as a joke^[6] and which others have identified as 'problematic' and 'troubling'.^[8]

Whatever the true character and affiliations of the group, it has provoked commentary by critics and internet culture writers since its formation in 2005, and it has been listed as one of the central figures in the griefer culture of Second Life.^[15] Membership in the group has ranged from 35 members in 2007^[9] up to a rough 200 at their peak in mid-2011.^[15]

History[edit]

Habbo Hotel[edit]

The origin of the Patriotic Nigras has been traced by cyber-rights researcher Peter Ludlow to the /b/ imageboard of the imageboard4chan where board members decided in late 2005 to 'raid' Habbo Hotel, a popular avatar-based social networking game. The raid took the form of numerous black men presenting avatars with outsize afros and Armani suits^[13] blocking access to the virtual pool and telling other users that 'the pool is closed because of AIDS.' From this raid, according to Ludlow, emerged the Patriotic Nigras and their Internet meme slogan 'Pool's Closed.'^[16]

The success of the first raid has led the Patriotic Nigras to perform raids on the Habbo Hotel during subsequent years. The 2006 anniversary raid was organized at the /i/ imageboard of the website 7chan.^[11] The format of these raids is always the same with the use of avatars that look like black men with afros, and with the group sometimes attempting to offend users by forming images with the avatars such as swastikas.^[11]

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Second Life[edit]

The Second Life phase of the group's activities began in early 2006 when an anonymous user known as 'Mudkips Acronym'^[14] reposted on 4chan a question originally posed at eBaum's World regarding whether or not Second Life 'was raidable.' There were 143 Patriotic Nigras members as of September 2007, of which around 35–60 were active.^[5] The response to 'Mudkips Acronym's challenge was rapid and the group soon established itself as a fixture on Second Life. As of 2008, the Patriotic Nigras were said to operate hundreds, if not thousands, of Second Life accounts.^[17]

By mid-2006, a number of Second Life users had had enough of the PN's antics and a Second Life member named 'Kalel Venkman' formed a counter-griefer vigilante group named the Justice League Unlimited. With avatars donning the skins of superheroes like Superman and Wonder Woman, the Justice League Unlimited established monitors in many areas of Second Life and zealously reported any untoward behavior to the Linden Lab administrators. The zeal with which they executed their duties, however, proved to be problematic and they were soon banned from areas such as FurNation for excessive vigilantism. According to cyber-rights researcher, Peter Ludlow, the Justice League Unlimited's anti-PN efforts also became problematic as the close association between 4chan users and Patriotic Nigras led to the unwarranted harassment of many users who were 4channers only and not members of the PN.^[16]

In February 2007, the group gained media coverage after an attack on the Second Life headquarters of politician John Edwards in which the Patriotic Nigras attacked with their avatars bearing 'Bush 08' buttons and defaced Edwards's structure with feces, Marxist/Leninist posters, and obscenity.^[18][19] They also received coverage for an earlier attack on a room where Second Life user Anshe Chung was being interviewed about her claims to have made the 'virtual property' equivalent of over one million dollars off the game. The room was invaded by flying penises.^[20] This incident was also attributed to the 'Room 101' group.^[21][22]

The Patriotic Nigras were at first tolerated by the producers of Second Life, Linden Lab, but after the John Edwards attack they began to crack down and now take efforts to find and ban griefers on sight. To fight back, the Patriotic Nigras found ways to bypass the bans Linden Lab typically employs.^[5] New Media critics have described the Patriotic Nigras' antagonistic relationship with Linden Lab as arising in reaction to the company's player-monitoring policies (described as part of a broadly Foucaultian institutionalized control apparatus).^[2] To further their aims on Second Life, the PN developed a modified Second Life client called ShoopedLife that allowed them to bypass many of the hardware-banning methods typically used by Linden Lab to prevent persistent griefers from accessing Second Life. Reacting against this, the Justice League Unlimited formed close associations with Linden Lab administrators, going so far as to monitor when administrators were available for contact so that griefing could be rapidly halted.^[16]

As Patriotic Nigras countermeasures intensified the situation, Justice League Unlimited suspicions concerning Patriotic Nigras connections to 4chan deepened and Second Life players received bans for nothing more than their association with 4chan. This finally culminated in the closing of Woodbury University's virtual campus, and led thereafter to an escalation of factional maneuvers between the Woodbury group and the Justice League Unlimited^[23] who characterized all opponents as PN sympathizers.^[16] Desktop cpu temp monitor. In a series of multi-directional infiltrations, personal information including the real life names of 'Kalel Venkman,' several Woodbury group members, writers for The Alphaville Herald, and Patriotic Nigras leader 'Mudkips Acronym' was published online. In August 2007, 'Mudkips Acronym' resigned in fear that this information would be used to compromise his security,^[5] and by mid-2008, the Justice League Unlimited had been disbanded following embarrassing revelations of the nature of their relationship with Linden Lab and their efforts to 'dox' Second Lifers suspected of connections to the PNs through the collection of extensive dossier-style information.^[24]

Following the exit of 'Mudkips Acronym,' members of the Patriotic Nigras held an election to determine the new leader, which was won by a user known online as '^ban^'.^[6] According to a griefing publication, '^ban^' resigned after ten months and handed control of the group over to a user known by the screen name 'FrizzleFry101'.^[25] In July 2008, the PN client, ShoopedLife was further modified to utilize the Lua code base to automate specific functions of the regular client. In December 2008, the main developer for ShoopedLife, 'N3X15,' left the Patriotic Nigras, effectively ending development of the client.^[26]

References[edit]

1. ^ ^abcBäcke, Maria. Theoretical and Methodological Approaches to Online 3D WorldsArchived 2013-12-03 at the Wayback Machine. Digital Games/TKS. Blekinge Institute of Technology.
2. ^ ^abBäcke, Maria and Francisco J. Ricardo, ed. 'Self, Setting, and Situation in Second Life.' Literary Art in Digital Performance: Case Studies in New Media Art and Criticism. Continuum International Publishing Group. Pp.111, 133. 2009. ISBN9780826436801
3. ^McCahill, Mark P. sub nom. Pixeleen Mistral. 'Nicholas Mafia Smacks PN Web Site'. The Alphaville Herald. 9 January 2009.
4. ^ ^abDibbell, Julian (2008-07-11). Sympathy for the Griefer:MOOrape, Lulz cubes, and Other Lessons from the First 2 Decades of Online Sociopathy. Madison, Wisconsin: Games, Learning and Society 4.0. Retrieved 2008-07-11.External link in |publisher= (help)
5. ^ ^abcdGiles, Jim (2007). 'Serious Grief'. New Scientist. 9 (1–7): 52–53.
6. ^ ^abcDibbell, Julian. 'Mutilated Furries, Flying Phalluses: Put the Blame on Griefers, the Sociopaths of the Virtual World.' Wired. 18 January 2008.
7. ^Alemi, Farnaz. An Avatar's Day in Court: A Proposal for Obtaining Relief and Resolving Disputes in Virtual World Games. 2007 UCLA J.L. & Tech. 6. 2007
8. ^ ^abAnable, Aubrey. Bad Techno-Subjects: Griefing is Serious Business. Mediascape: UCLA's Journal of Cinema and Media Studies. 17 November 2008.
9. ^ ^abGregson, Kimberly. 'Bad Avatar! Griefing in Virtual Worlds.' M/C Journal. Vol.10, Iss.5. October 2007.
10. ^Schechter, Olga G., Eric L. Lang, and Christina R. Keibler. Cyber Culture and Personnel Security: Report II - Ethnographic Analysis of Second Life. Defense Human Resources Activity - Defense Personnel Security Research Center. Pg.48. July 2011.
11. ^ ^abcVichot, Ray (2009). 'Doing it for the lulz'?: online communities of practice and offline tactical media (M.Sc.). Georgia Institute of Technology.
12. ^Stryker, Cole. How Anonymous broke its own rules to break free. Boing Boing. 17 October 2012.
13. ^ ^abWebber, Nick. Grief Play, Deviance and the Practice of Culture. Inter-disciplinary.net. June 2006.
14. ^ ^abFink, Eric M. 'The Virtual Construction of Legality: 'Griefing' & Normative Order in Second Life.' Journal of Law, Information, & Science 21.1. 2011.
15. ^ ^abArthur, Charles. 'From LulzSec to 4Chan: a hacking who's who Guide to hackers and online mischief makers'. The Guardian. 22 June 2011.
16. ^ ^abcdLudlow, Peter. Watching the Watchers: Power and Politics in Second Life (Part One). Henryjenkins.org. 9 April 2010.
17. ^Girard, Nicole. 'Griefer Madness: Terrorizing Virtual Worlds'. MacNews. Accessed August 10, 2008.
18. ^Fulco, Ivan. 'Griefer: non chiamatemi vandalo, sono un attivista dei mondi virtuali!'.La Stampa. Accessed August 10, 2008. (Italian)
19. ^Brownlee, John. 'John Edwards Meets Second Life 'Feces Spewing Obscenity'.Wired. 2 March 2007.
20. ^Giles, Jim. 'Virtual entrepreneurs and 'griefers' spoil the fantasy of online worlds'.New Scientist. Vol.195, Iss.2619. Pp.28–29. 1 September 2007.
21. ^'Pink penis attack on Second Life chat show'. Metro. 2006-12-22.
22. ^Peterson, Chris 'Petey' (20 December 2006). 'Room 101 vs. Anshe Chung. Gross Genitals Grief Graef, Commandeer CNET Conference. A Room 101 Special Report'. Second Life Safari at Something Awful.
23. ^Bakioglu, Burcu (February 2011). 'Governance in Virtual Worlds: Grief Play, Hacktivism & LeakOps in Second Life'. SSRN2179886.Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
24. ^Ludlow, Peter. Watching the Watchers: Power and Politics in Second Life (Part Two). Henryjenkins.org. 12 April 2010.
25. ^Prim, Proper. 'Evidence of Script Stealing Exploit Surfaces'.The Griefer Herald. 3 August 2008. Accessed August 10, 2008.
26. ^'nexisonline blog: ShoopedLife Broken'. N3X15. Archived from the original on 2011-07-18. Retrieved 2009-07-17.

Further reading[edit]

• Bakioğlu, Burcu S. (2009). 'Spectacular Interventions of Second Life: Goon Culture, Griefing, and Disruption in Virtual Spaces'. Journal of Virtual Worlds Research. 1 (3). doi:10.4101/jvwr.v1i3.348. ISSN1941-8477.
• Bakioğlu, Burcu S. (2012). 'Negotiating Governance in Virtual Worlds: Grief Play, Hacktivism & LeakOps in Second Life'. New Review of Hypermedia & Multimedia. 4 (18): 237–259. doi:10.1080/13614568.2012.746742. ISSN1361-4568. Available from https://ssrn.com/abstract=2179886
• Giles, Jim (1 September 2007). 'Second Life – under attack'. New Scientist. 195 (2619): 52–53. doi:10.1016/s0262-4079(07)62221-0. ISSN0262-4079.
• Holmes, Steve (2013). 'Politics is Serious Business: Jacques Rancière, Griefing, and the Re-Partitioning of the (Non)Sensical'. Fibreculture Journal (22). ISSN1449-1443.
• Levine, Alec (2009). 'Play Harms: Liability and the Play Conceit in Virtual Worlds'. McGeorge L. Rev.41: 929.
• Schrank, Brian (2010). Play Beyond Flow: A Theory of Avant-garde Videogames (Ph.D.). Georgia Institute of Technology.
• Schrank, Brian (2014). Avant-garde Videogames: Playing with Technoculture. MIT Press. pp. 66–71. ISBN978-0262027144.
• Staff (15 March 2007), 'How should Edwards respond to virtual vandalism?', The Telegraph, Nashua, NH
• Wolff, Josephine Charlotte Paulina (2012). Unraveling Internet identities: accountability & anonymity at the application layer (M.Eng.). Massachusetts Institute of Technology. hdl:1721.1/72901.

Original research

I added {{OriginalResearch}} to this article twice, it got removed twice by Ryulong. Places with the {{fact}} notice, in particular, seem to be in need of verification - however, some of these {{fact}} tags are disappearing as well. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I don't want to get into an edit war here. - Chardish 08:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I've been removing any statements that I feel are unsourceable that you tagged with {{fact}}.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 09:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Everything else I've explained through my edit summaries.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 09:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

From WP:NOR: the only way to demonstrate that you are not doing original research is to cite reliable sources that provide information directly related to the topic of the article, and to adhere to what those sources say.
In other words, if you have a source: cite it! If you don't have a source, that information probably doesn't belong in the article. There should be no 'unsourceable statemtents' in any article on Wikipedia. - Chardish 09:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I've been removing statements completely, whereas somethings that did happen are difficult to source, such as the discussion boards being part of the dis.4chan.org domain (which they are after going to the site and seeing that the text boards are dis.4chan.org/something) or the downtime (which could only really be sourced with detailed information about incoming traffic, which I'm finding difficult to read at alexa's traffic rankings). Other things are also hard to source, yet encyclopedic.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 09:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I fully agree that the information in this article is encylopedic. However, that doesn't mean that it doesn't need to cite its sources. Here are some examples of why sources are necessary in places where you removed {{fact}} tags:

1. The discussion boards were once hosted on a separate site called 'world4ch' (pronounced world four channel) until they were integrated into 4chan using the subdomain dis.4chan.org. - Where did we learn this? Where would an independent researcher verify that the boards were once on another site?
2. ..2channel, the Japanese site which started the entire anonymous BBS phenomenon. - What evidence supports that 2channel started this phenomenon? This sounds like an opinion - and opinions definitely need sourcing.
3. ..most newcomers find many posts incomprehensible. - How do we know this? Are there third-party sources where newcomers express having found posts incomprehensible? If the article can't support this claim, it shouldn't be in there.
4. Every person who posted to the joke board was then banned from 4chan for an short period of time. - This is a simple historical fact that needs a source..verifiability, not truth, is the criterion for inclusion.

I could go on. Anyway, using {{fact}} tags is much gentler than simply removing the statements from the article. The tags shouldn't be removed - if a source is needed, find one! : ) - Chardish 09:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

2Ch was the first imageboard-type site, and the fact that 4chan's name is based on 2channel is obvious and doesn't need sourcing. --WootyWoot?contribs 06:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Some people are not completly with the 'in' crowd of the internet so new people (newbies?) will need to know that. Tirus 15:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Look at the November 14, 2005 entry on 4chan's news page. You'll find links and references to the world4ch domain through the next few news posts on that page. Not only does this acknowledge the prior existence of such a domain and its use, but so does a quick search for world4ch on google, which still links to old threads hosted on the old domain. And if you need to see if the domain has been indeed changed to dis.4chan.org, a quick visit to 4chan or google could also solve that. As for the second statement you listed, world4ch was indeed based off of world2ch, which was based off of 2ch. 4chan itself was inspired more directly by Futaba Channel, also known as 2chan. One of Moot's news posts on October 1, 2003, claims that 4chan was founded as its unofficial sister site. The link between 2ch and Futaba Channel can be clarified by reading Futaba Channel. The article 2channel describes the significance of 2channel by showing that it has more posts daily than any other forum, with over 2.3 million a day as claimed by stats.2ch.net on December 27, 2006. Couple this with the descriptions of the innovations of its anonymous bulletin board system contained in the 2channel article, and that second claim is pretty much verified. Though I'm sure there's a better way to verify these claims, I'm pretty certain my half-assed ones would suffice. As for the other claims, they aren't that important to the article, and I've never really cared for them anyway, especially the last one. If those could be sourced, they can stay, if they can't be sourced, they probably will still stay as no one will decide to remove them, but if they are removed, I doubt that anyone will miss them much. They do seem to be more trouble than they are worth, as they hardly contribute anything substantial to the article. (Steampowered 09:42, 28 December 2006 (UTC)).

Neutrality

Most of the article is pretty neutral, which is good, but the 'Hal Turner' bit seems definitely biased. I mean: 'Hals radio segments refer to the attackers as 'pranksters', while in reality, they are warriors in the force known as Anonymous. Much like their organized raids against the infamous MMORPG Habbo Hotel, which is now held down by a spin off website conducting occupational raids, their assault on Hal Turner proved an unforseeable success. Although, many /b/tards still 'weep over those brave /b/rothas who never made it home'.' Warriors in the force of Anonymous? How dramatic! The 'infamous' MMORPG? It seems pretty ordinary to me. 'never made it home'? I find this whole section pretty bizarre. --71.125.20.130 01:17, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Hal Turner is not mentioned in the article currently, and Habbo Hotel is not mentioned either.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Added Hal Turner raids, as well as a news source verifying such information. --WootyWoot?contribs 20:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

This page is neutral desu! DESU! Blonde Knight of Teuton 12:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

DATE

I disagree with the date fotmat 2006-08-23 being used as this is US only and not NPOV which is important.

See WP:DATE. It is ISO date formatting that is supported by the MediaWiki software. This only really affects new users who have not set their preferences or anonymous users who do not have a Special:Preferences to set.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Well. that would be the International date formatting. US format is month-day-year, which I agree is very annoying. --King Nintendoid 18:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Start of 4chan

Does anyone know date when 4chan began, I think it would be a good addition to the article? 87.194.98.220 16:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

1 October 2003 Ashibaka(tock) 18:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Interwiki links

User:Thijs!bot has been linking Simple:4chan to this article. Unfortunatly, Simple:4chan is deleted and salted. I left a note on User:Thijs!bot owner's page (found on the Dutch wiki here: nl:User:Thijs!) so hopefully Thijs! can fix the bot. Although, a better fix would be to write up an article for the Simple English wiki to replace the salted page. Any volunteers? --Transfinite 04:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem was caused by a interwiki link to Simple:4chan from es:4chan. The links to Simple have been removed everywhere, so the bot should behave correctly. --Transfinite 18:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it really dead?

Checking the edit summary, I see 'rumours of closure'. When did this start happening, it was fine this morning. Pacific Coast Highway^{{talk • contribs}} 20:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

It seems to be down now. --WootyWoot?contribs 20:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

It always goes down. It's probably just a server hiccup. It's not like the 4chan Party Van has any need to shut it down.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

RUSHUR? I think we've got a V&, as 7chan and 12chan are down too. 420chan is barely working. edit: '[1/27 14:55:28] * moots changes topic to '4chan | oh no power failure | everybody dies'--WootyWoot?contribs 21:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

OH LAWD! MAH CHANS! Pacific Coast Highway^{{talk • contribs}} 21:49, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's up, except for /b/. Now, GET ON WITH YOUR LIVES. I know I will.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Duly noted. Pacific Coast Highway^{{talk • contribs}} 04:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Rumors of 4chan's closure are always in circulation. It's closed something like 4 times in the past, after all. Clearly you need to lurk more. :P 71.203.209.0 06:01, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Lurk moar! D:< Dieter Weber 23:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

4chan's dead. Prepare to kill yourselves. Vkeios 05:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I blame the Mooninites. Pacific Coast Highway^{{talk • contribs}} 05:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Memes again!

Can somebody please tell me why Wikipedia is biased against Anonymous, and allowes 400+ Articles on unimportant Pokemon characters,YET a page on Pedobear,Cockmongler is instantly deleted because its sexual in nature? Cockmongler is FAR more noteworthy then a Sneasle. i smell sum bias on Wiki's behalf. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EatMyCar (talk • contribs) 00:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

You may wish to take a look at Wikipedia:Verifiability. If and when multiple independent works about Cockmongler or Pedobear are published in reliable sources, having an article on either would be no problem. --Slowking Man 01:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

He also seems to ignore O RLY?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Ya rly! --Slowking Man 01:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

It's Grinman! --WootyWoot?contribs 02:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

No, you both fail it. It's Richard C. Mongler. Pacific Coast Highway^{{talk • contribs}} 02:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

While the subject of 4chan memes is open .. should SHOOP DA WHOOP, and the 'Im in your blank, blanking your blank' things be added to the page? Brain fork 05:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

No. Never. See WP:RS and WP:V.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't the existance of SHOOP DA WHOOP's image on google as well as youtube count for RS and V? Brain fork 06:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Those sources are unfortunately unreliable-- they can be used to astroturf, etc. Ashibaka(tock) 06:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

How about the fact that by searching SHOOP DA WHOOP on Wikipedia, one is automatically directed to a WHOOPless 4chan? Brain fork 06:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

People make stupid redirects. There is nothing that we can reliably source to the Shoop da Whoop/Lazer firin meme, nor cock mongler, pedobear, happy negro, teh Rei, Assdip-chan, being gay for Bridget, longcat, or Candlja—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:40, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Accordding to the Wikipedia article Internet Meme, 'When the jokes are reposted enough so that the majority of the websites users are aware of it, it becomes a meme.' Therefore, because the majority of 4chan users are aware of such memes as Shoop da Whoop, cock mongler, pedobear, etc. they should thusly be included in the article. Brain fork 22:41, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but their existence cannot be reliably sourced. We all know about them, but we cannot link to /b/ and say 'Look, there's Pedobear' because /b/ is too fast. A list of memes can never be reliably sourced, and frankly, most of Internet meme, unless the separate articles are sourced, should probably be deleted. O RLY? is the only one that I know of has had some level of press coverage. There's no critical commentary of Pedobear or the Cock mongler in any sort of newspaper or publication.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

But there are other places that can be linked to, such as Urban Dictionary that have been used in other articles as an authority. Brain fork 22:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Urban Dictionary is an unmoderated heap of neologisms and fail, not a reliable source. --WootyWoot?contribs 00:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Then why is it used on other articles as a source? If it's good enough for there, it's good enough for here.Brain fork 16:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Hal Turner

Deleted the Hal Turner article since 4chan had nothing to do with him. Instead, it were 7chan /b/tards and of course ebaumsworld people that did it.

You mean the Hal Turner section or the Hal Turner article itself? The lattter is still there. Pacific Coast Highway^{{talk • contribs}} 23:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

What are you, stupid? Hal Turner was raided by several sites, including, but not limited to: 4chan, 7chan, YTMND, SA, 420chan, and ebaumsworld.

February 8

What happened today? I got a message that I needed to double check something with this page today, and I found this massive entry trail. was this a planned swarm, or what?TheGreenFaerae 06:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Seems some 7chan users were bored and decided to vandalize the article because their site is currently down.GarTheDestroyer 08:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

How sad that some people have nothing better to do than useless vandalism..TheGreenFaerae 08:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[trolling comment removed] --WootyWoot?contribs 01:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Old news

All of this is fairly new news, why isnt there any history?Lurk more. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.178.123.11 (talk) 17:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

no u. No sources. --WootyWoot?contribs 19:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

It still says on the article that 4chan's /a/ and /z/ have only gotten over 1,000,000 posts. Shouldn't it be fixed to say over 2,000,000? It really bugs to see the wrong numbers on the articles Bonnielass 18:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Has /z/ gotten over 2M posts?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Lawl, /z/ doesn't exist. Anymore. (Steampowered 02:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)).

Whoops, I meant /v/. Bonnielass 06:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't say that they have only gotten over 1,000,000 posts, it says that they are the only boards to have ever gotten past that number. I'm pretty sure no other boards have gotten over 1 million. (Steampowered 22:34, 11 February 2007 (UTC)).

Hmmm, but wouldn't it be nice if they knew how many posts there were at the moment for both boards? Bonnielass 06:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but do YOU want to update that all the time? Let's just keep rounded down to the nearest million for now, unless you start updating it all the time. That'll keep it up to date and accurate more of the time. (Steampowered 03:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)).

Inclusion of 7chan

I propose the including of 7chan to this page. While it may not be a major site itself, it is a part of the history of 4chan and should thusly be included. Brain fork 05:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

No. 7chan is not part of 4chan's history and its existence cannot be supported by any sort of verifiable or reliable sources.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Not true, Hal Turner's site, about twenty different blogs and assorted other wiki's all claim 7chan's existance and that it played an important role in the Hal Turner raids. In addition to this google turns up 89,100 hits on 7chan. Brain fork 06:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

None of those are reliable sources. --WootyWoot?contribs 07:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

lawl, anti-7chan conspiracy (Steampowered 08:40, 2 February 2007 (UTC))

Well, yeah, ever since Ian shut /i/ down, the whole site has bombed. --WootyWoot?contribs 08:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, well, seeing as tiled goatse is all that's on their front page at the moment, I don't see much room to say otherwise, even if I actually wanted to. (Steampowered 09:58, 2 February 2007 (UTC)).

Again I will cite Internet Meme, Urban Dictionary is cited as an external authority on on the definition of the word 'meme.' By searching '7chan,' one gets this. If Urban dictionary is credible enough for the Internet Meme article then it's credible enough to use as a source for the inclusion of 7chan. Brain fork 22:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

7chan.org is actually quite a big website, by far the second biggest chan in America. I think it should either be included or have its own page (preferably the latter). Also, it IS related to 4chan's history, as many members banned during the B-day crackdown are now patrons of 7chan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 169.244.216.6 (talk) 16:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Now that 7chan and 420chan are down, they do deserve inclusion in this article. They are part of 4chan's history. In fact, a piece on /b/day is needed in this article. Your refusal to accept certain sources smack of bias against the internet in general. Saying that you can't prove the existance of 7chan is just plain stupid. Direct to the page, even though it is down.

7chan is back up now. And Wikipedia can be stupid sometimes. But, the rules, we must follow them. Pacific Coast Highway^{{The internet • runs on Rainbows!}} 18:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

/R/ some reliable sources and they'll be added. -WootyWoot?contribs 23:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Jesus, don't any of the wikipedia mods actually visit these sites!? 7chan is very obviously a site to merit it's own article or at least a mention in the 4chan article. 4chan and 7chan are intertwined in their histories, there is absolutely no reason why 7chan has no mention. Specusci 15:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

No reliable sources. Also, underage b&. -WootyWoot?contribs 18:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Mods want proof it exists? http://www.7chan.org might be a good place to start, and I think that the fact that you dont get a 404 is proof enough. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 169.244.216.6 (talk) 15:22, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

King James Version Bible Online

Well, depending on what idiocy Ian might conjure, it could very well 404. :- Specusci 17:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

/b/tards in other online areas

Working from experience in Second Life, I know that there are several groups that use either the overt /b/tard designation, or some other instance of /b/. I'm not sure how to link to these groups since the info is displayed in the Second Life Engine, so if anyone could help out, I would appreciate it. Also, I know some of you will say that they are not the same group, and I don't think they are either. But in Second Life, and, form what I hear World of Warcraft, there are groups that call themselves by these designations and even 'grief' other users. I wouldn't use grief in the article, because it would be blatant POV, but they are out there, and they deserve a mention.TheGreenFaerae 10:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Not a mention here, because this is an encyclopedia devoted to covering published and sourced work. However, on WoW and SL wikis, you might add them. Ashibaka(tock) 17:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

What Ashibaka said, also, most of those groups are old and have no members. PN is the leading SL raiding /b/ organization, but they don't 'deserve a mention' here unless they get some press coverage. --WootyWoot?contribs 19:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:RS doesn't require a reliable source to be published, just third party and verifiable, which this would be. And there are groups that are far from defunct, such as the /b/rotherhood of the /b/lade, which i have dealt with on numerous occasions. This verifiability does block a good number of personal websites from being used as sources, but the fact that they are in the records of Second Life, which is far from a personal website, makes them verifiable enough to qualify.TheGreenFaerae 21:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

You do realize that anyone can set up a group in SL for 100 lindens, which is a negligible amount of currency in said game? --WootyWoot?contribs 23:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, yeah, but that still doesnt change the fact that said groups exist, does it?TheGreenFaerae 06:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Are they notable? Have the groups done anything to seriously disrupt SL? I'm a member of the Patriotic Nigras and even we haven't done anything of note on even blogs such as the Second Life Herald or the official Linden blog. --WootyWoot?contribs 06:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

There is a global security council (a coalition of anti-griefer groups) that lists your group, the Patriotic Nigras as currently being the biggest threat. This council is made up of such prominent anti-griefing groups as the Justice League, the Anti-Griefing Guild, and the GLC, so yeah there is notability.TheGreenFaerae 08:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to have to disagree with you about the Wikipedia part, and perhaps we can get a third opinion here, but could you link me to this security council? --WootyWoot?contribs 08:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I can give it to you in Sl, if you want to meet up that way. I am perfectly open to outside opinions.TheGreenFaerae 08:37, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

My IP range, MAC address, and hard drive ID have all been banned, can't do that. Could you just link me to a site? --WootyWoot?contribs 08:40, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

slbanlink.com has a list of names banned, and the notecard explaining reason for their bannings is usually membership with 7chan or the Patriotic Nigras. I could copy the notecards and all the relevant text form SL, but there is no way to hotlink it.TheGreenFaerae 08:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, there is no mention in the Second Life Herald, or the Linden Blogs, because only the most extreme cases, like the orb of destruction get listed there. The day to day stuff is sually not listed, because it's not vital to the grid.TheGreenFaerae 08:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

There has also been discussion that, as the tactics sued by soem fo these organizations constitute what is essentially a Denial of serivce attack, some major land woners have begun to discuss the idea of bringing the FBI in to deal with it.TheGreenFaerae 07:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

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Properly characterizing the Patriotic Nigras has proven difficult for critics and researchers who have observed their activities from within their raids and from afar. The group has been described as a nonpolitical online terrorist group whose central motivation is described by the term 'lulz'.^[1][7][8] Others have identified quasi-political motivations such as the effort to hinder the entry of corporations into Second Life,^[9] and yet others have identified their activities as nihilistic or even agonistic online branches of the political avant-garde.^[1] The DHRA has also described them as a prime example of online criminal gang culture including spillover effects into real life gang activity.^[10] The group has been linked to internet group Anonymous as both a sub-group^[11] and an early progenitor iteration.^[12] They have been described as /b/tards (a group affiliated with 4chan), members of SomethingAwful.com,^[13] and as an offspring of the W-Hats griefer group (itself an offshoot of the Goons).^[14] The PN make casual use of racist, sexist, and homophobic terminology which some researchers dismiss as a joke^[6] and which others have identified as 'problematic' and 'troubling'.^[8]

Whatever the true character and affiliations of the group, it has provoked commentary by critics and internet culture writers since its formation in 2005, and it has been listed as one of the central figures in the griefer culture of Second Life.^[15] Membership in the group has ranged from 35 members in 2007^[9] up to a rough 200 at their peak in mid-2011.^[15]

History[edit]

Habbo Hotel[edit]

The origin of the Patriotic Nigras has been traced by cyber-rights researcher Peter Ludlow to the /b/ imageboard of the imageboard4chan where board members decided in late 2005 to 'raid' Habbo Hotel, a popular avatar-based social networking game. The raid took the form of numerous black men presenting avatars with outsize afros and Armani suits^[13] blocking access to the virtual pool and telling other users that 'the pool is closed because of AIDS.' From this raid, according to Ludlow, emerged the Patriotic Nigras and their Internet meme slogan 'Pool's Closed.'^[16]

The success of the first raid has led the Patriotic Nigras to perform raids on the Habbo Hotel during subsequent years. The 2006 anniversary raid was organized at the /i/ imageboard of the website 7chan.^[11] The format of these raids is always the same with the use of avatars that look like black men with afros, and with the group sometimes attempting to offend users by forming images with the avatars such as swastikas.^[11]

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Second Life[edit]

The Second Life phase of the group's activities began in early 2006 when an anonymous user known as 'Mudkips Acronym'^[14] reposted on 4chan a question originally posed at eBaum's World regarding whether or not Second Life 'was raidable.' There were 143 Patriotic Nigras members as of September 2007, of which around 35–60 were active.^[5] The response to 'Mudkips Acronym's challenge was rapid and the group soon established itself as a fixture on Second Life. As of 2008, the Patriotic Nigras were said to operate hundreds, if not thousands, of Second Life accounts.^[17]

By mid-2006, a number of Second Life users had had enough of the PN's antics and a Second Life member named 'Kalel Venkman' formed a counter-griefer vigilante group named the Justice League Unlimited. With avatars donning the skins of superheroes like Superman and Wonder Woman, the Justice League Unlimited established monitors in many areas of Second Life and zealously reported any untoward behavior to the Linden Lab administrators. The zeal with which they executed their duties, however, proved to be problematic and they were soon banned from areas such as FurNation for excessive vigilantism. According to cyber-rights researcher, Peter Ludlow, the Justice League Unlimited's anti-PN efforts also became problematic as the close association between 4chan users and Patriotic Nigras led to the unwarranted harassment of many users who were 4channers only and not members of the PN.^[16]

In February 2007, the group gained media coverage after an attack on the Second Life headquarters of politician John Edwards in which the Patriotic Nigras attacked with their avatars bearing 'Bush 08' buttons and defaced Edwards's structure with feces, Marxist/Leninist posters, and obscenity.^[18][19] They also received coverage for an earlier attack on a room where Second Life user Anshe Chung was being interviewed about her claims to have made the 'virtual property' equivalent of over one million dollars off the game. The room was invaded by flying penises.^[20] This incident was also attributed to the 'Room 101' group.^[21][22]

The Patriotic Nigras were at first tolerated by the producers of Second Life, Linden Lab, but after the John Edwards attack they began to crack down and now take efforts to find and ban griefers on sight. To fight back, the Patriotic Nigras found ways to bypass the bans Linden Lab typically employs.^[5] New Media critics have described the Patriotic Nigras' antagonistic relationship with Linden Lab as arising in reaction to the company's player-monitoring policies (described as part of a broadly Foucaultian institutionalized control apparatus).^[2] To further their aims on Second Life, the PN developed a modified Second Life client called ShoopedLife that allowed them to bypass many of the hardware-banning methods typically used by Linden Lab to prevent persistent griefers from accessing Second Life. Reacting against this, the Justice League Unlimited formed close associations with Linden Lab administrators, going so far as to monitor when administrators were available for contact so that griefing could be rapidly halted.^[16]

As Patriotic Nigras countermeasures intensified the situation, Justice League Unlimited suspicions concerning Patriotic Nigras connections to 4chan deepened and Second Life players received bans for nothing more than their association with 4chan. This finally culminated in the closing of Woodbury University's virtual campus, and led thereafter to an escalation of factional maneuvers between the Woodbury group and the Justice League Unlimited^[23] who characterized all opponents as PN sympathizers.^[16] Desktop cpu temp monitor. In a series of multi-directional infiltrations, personal information including the real life names of 'Kalel Venkman,' several Woodbury group members, writers for The Alphaville Herald, and Patriotic Nigras leader 'Mudkips Acronym' was published online. In August 2007, 'Mudkips Acronym' resigned in fear that this information would be used to compromise his security,^[5] and by mid-2008, the Justice League Unlimited had been disbanded following embarrassing revelations of the nature of their relationship with Linden Lab and their efforts to 'dox' Second Lifers suspected of connections to the PNs through the collection of extensive dossier-style information.^[24]

Following the exit of 'Mudkips Acronym,' members of the Patriotic Nigras held an election to determine the new leader, which was won by a user known online as '^ban^'.^[6] According to a griefing publication, '^ban^' resigned after ten months and handed control of the group over to a user known by the screen name 'FrizzleFry101'.^[25] In July 2008, the PN client, ShoopedLife was further modified to utilize the Lua code base to automate specific functions of the regular client. In December 2008, the main developer for ShoopedLife, 'N3X15,' left the Patriotic Nigras, effectively ending development of the client.^[26]

References[edit]

1. ^ ^abcBäcke, Maria. Theoretical and Methodological Approaches to Online 3D WorldsArchived 2013-12-03 at the Wayback Machine. Digital Games/TKS. Blekinge Institute of Technology.
2. ^ ^abBäcke, Maria and Francisco J. Ricardo, ed. 'Self, Setting, and Situation in Second Life.' Literary Art in Digital Performance: Case Studies in New Media Art and Criticism. Continuum International Publishing Group. Pp.111, 133. 2009. ISBN9780826436801
3. ^McCahill, Mark P. sub nom. Pixeleen Mistral. 'Nicholas Mafia Smacks PN Web Site'. The Alphaville Herald. 9 January 2009.
4. ^ ^abDibbell, Julian (2008-07-11). Sympathy for the Griefer:MOOrape, Lulz cubes, and Other Lessons from the First 2 Decades of Online Sociopathy. Madison, Wisconsin: Games, Learning and Society 4.0. Retrieved 2008-07-11.External link in |publisher= (help)
5. ^ ^abcdGiles, Jim (2007). 'Serious Grief'. New Scientist. 9 (1–7): 52–53.
6. ^ ^abcDibbell, Julian. 'Mutilated Furries, Flying Phalluses: Put the Blame on Griefers, the Sociopaths of the Virtual World.' Wired. 18 January 2008.
7. ^Alemi, Farnaz. An Avatar's Day in Court: A Proposal for Obtaining Relief and Resolving Disputes in Virtual World Games. 2007 UCLA J.L. & Tech. 6. 2007
8. ^ ^abAnable, Aubrey. Bad Techno-Subjects: Griefing is Serious Business. Mediascape: UCLA's Journal of Cinema and Media Studies. 17 November 2008.
9. ^ ^abGregson, Kimberly. 'Bad Avatar! Griefing in Virtual Worlds.' M/C Journal. Vol.10, Iss.5. October 2007.
10. ^Schechter, Olga G., Eric L. Lang, and Christina R. Keibler. Cyber Culture and Personnel Security: Report II - Ethnographic Analysis of Second Life. Defense Human Resources Activity - Defense Personnel Security Research Center. Pg.48. July 2011.
11. ^ ^abcVichot, Ray (2009). 'Doing it for the lulz'?: online communities of practice and offline tactical media (M.Sc.). Georgia Institute of Technology.
12. ^Stryker, Cole. How Anonymous broke its own rules to break free. Boing Boing. 17 October 2012.
13. ^ ^abWebber, Nick. Grief Play, Deviance and the Practice of Culture. Inter-disciplinary.net. June 2006.
14. ^ ^abFink, Eric M. 'The Virtual Construction of Legality: 'Griefing' & Normative Order in Second Life.' Journal of Law, Information, & Science 21.1. 2011.
15. ^ ^abArthur, Charles. 'From LulzSec to 4Chan: a hacking who's who Guide to hackers and online mischief makers'. The Guardian. 22 June 2011.
16. ^ ^abcdLudlow, Peter. Watching the Watchers: Power and Politics in Second Life (Part One). Henryjenkins.org. 9 April 2010.
17. ^Girard, Nicole. 'Griefer Madness: Terrorizing Virtual Worlds'. MacNews. Accessed August 10, 2008.
18. ^Fulco, Ivan. 'Griefer: non chiamatemi vandalo, sono un attivista dei mondi virtuali!'.La Stampa. Accessed August 10, 2008. (Italian)
19. ^Brownlee, John. 'John Edwards Meets Second Life 'Feces Spewing Obscenity'.Wired. 2 March 2007.
20. ^Giles, Jim. 'Virtual entrepreneurs and 'griefers' spoil the fantasy of online worlds'.New Scientist. Vol.195, Iss.2619. Pp.28–29. 1 September 2007.
21. ^'Pink penis attack on Second Life chat show'. Metro. 2006-12-22.
22. ^Peterson, Chris 'Petey' (20 December 2006). 'Room 101 vs. Anshe Chung. Gross Genitals Grief Graef, Commandeer CNET Conference. A Room 101 Special Report'. Second Life Safari at Something Awful.
23. ^Bakioglu, Burcu (February 2011). 'Governance in Virtual Worlds: Grief Play, Hacktivism & LeakOps in Second Life'. SSRN2179886.Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
24. ^Ludlow, Peter. Watching the Watchers: Power and Politics in Second Life (Part Two). Henryjenkins.org. 12 April 2010.
25. ^Prim, Proper. 'Evidence of Script Stealing Exploit Surfaces'.The Griefer Herald. 3 August 2008. Accessed August 10, 2008.
26. ^'nexisonline blog: ShoopedLife Broken'. N3X15. Archived from the original on 2011-07-18. Retrieved 2009-07-17.

Further reading[edit]

• Bakioğlu, Burcu S. (2009). 'Spectacular Interventions of Second Life: Goon Culture, Griefing, and Disruption in Virtual Spaces'. Journal of Virtual Worlds Research. 1 (3). doi:10.4101/jvwr.v1i3.348. ISSN1941-8477.
• Bakioğlu, Burcu S. (2012). 'Negotiating Governance in Virtual Worlds: Grief Play, Hacktivism & LeakOps in Second Life'. New Review of Hypermedia & Multimedia. 4 (18): 237–259. doi:10.1080/13614568.2012.746742. ISSN1361-4568. Available from https://ssrn.com/abstract=2179886
• Giles, Jim (1 September 2007). 'Second Life – under attack'. New Scientist. 195 (2619): 52–53. doi:10.1016/s0262-4079(07)62221-0. ISSN0262-4079.
• Holmes, Steve (2013). 'Politics is Serious Business: Jacques Rancière, Griefing, and the Re-Partitioning of the (Non)Sensical'. Fibreculture Journal (22). ISSN1449-1443.
• Levine, Alec (2009). 'Play Harms: Liability and the Play Conceit in Virtual Worlds'. McGeorge L. Rev.41: 929.
• Schrank, Brian (2010). Play Beyond Flow: A Theory of Avant-garde Videogames (Ph.D.). Georgia Institute of Technology.
• Schrank, Brian (2014). Avant-garde Videogames: Playing with Technoculture. MIT Press. pp. 66–71. ISBN978-0262027144.
• Staff (15 March 2007), 'How should Edwards respond to virtual vandalism?', The Telegraph, Nashua, NH
• Wolff, Josephine Charlotte Paulina (2012). Unraveling Internet identities: accountability & anonymity at the application layer (M.Eng.). Massachusetts Institute of Technology. hdl:1721.1/72901.

Original research

I added {{OriginalResearch}} to this article twice, it got removed twice by Ryulong. Places with the {{fact}} notice, in particular, seem to be in need of verification - however, some of these {{fact}} tags are disappearing as well. Anyone have any thoughts on this? I don't want to get into an edit war here. - Chardish 08:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I've been removing any statements that I feel are unsourceable that you tagged with {{fact}}.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 09:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Everything else I've explained through my edit summaries.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 09:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

From WP:NOR: the only way to demonstrate that you are not doing original research is to cite reliable sources that provide information directly related to the topic of the article, and to adhere to what those sources say.
In other words, if you have a source: cite it! If you don't have a source, that information probably doesn't belong in the article. There should be no 'unsourceable statemtents' in any article on Wikipedia. - Chardish 09:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I've been removing statements completely, whereas somethings that did happen are difficult to source, such as the discussion boards being part of the dis.4chan.org domain (which they are after going to the site and seeing that the text boards are dis.4chan.org/something) or the downtime (which could only really be sourced with detailed information about incoming traffic, which I'm finding difficult to read at alexa's traffic rankings). Other things are also hard to source, yet encyclopedic.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 09:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I fully agree that the information in this article is encylopedic. However, that doesn't mean that it doesn't need to cite its sources. Here are some examples of why sources are necessary in places where you removed {{fact}} tags:

1. The discussion boards were once hosted on a separate site called 'world4ch' (pronounced world four channel) until they were integrated into 4chan using the subdomain dis.4chan.org. - Where did we learn this? Where would an independent researcher verify that the boards were once on another site?
2. ..2channel, the Japanese site which started the entire anonymous BBS phenomenon. - What evidence supports that 2channel started this phenomenon? This sounds like an opinion - and opinions definitely need sourcing.
3. ..most newcomers find many posts incomprehensible. - How do we know this? Are there third-party sources where newcomers express having found posts incomprehensible? If the article can't support this claim, it shouldn't be in there.
4. Every person who posted to the joke board was then banned from 4chan for an short period of time. - This is a simple historical fact that needs a source..verifiability, not truth, is the criterion for inclusion.

I could go on. Anyway, using {{fact}} tags is much gentler than simply removing the statements from the article. The tags shouldn't be removed - if a source is needed, find one! : ) - Chardish 09:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

2Ch was the first imageboard-type site, and the fact that 4chan's name is based on 2channel is obvious and doesn't need sourcing. --WootyWoot?contribs 06:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Some people are not completly with the 'in' crowd of the internet so new people (newbies?) will need to know that. Tirus 15:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Look at the November 14, 2005 entry on 4chan's news page. You'll find links and references to the world4ch domain through the next few news posts on that page. Not only does this acknowledge the prior existence of such a domain and its use, but so does a quick search for world4ch on google, which still links to old threads hosted on the old domain. And if you need to see if the domain has been indeed changed to dis.4chan.org, a quick visit to 4chan or google could also solve that. As for the second statement you listed, world4ch was indeed based off of world2ch, which was based off of 2ch. 4chan itself was inspired more directly by Futaba Channel, also known as 2chan. One of Moot's news posts on October 1, 2003, claims that 4chan was founded as its unofficial sister site. The link between 2ch and Futaba Channel can be clarified by reading Futaba Channel. The article 2channel describes the significance of 2channel by showing that it has more posts daily than any other forum, with over 2.3 million a day as claimed by stats.2ch.net on December 27, 2006. Couple this with the descriptions of the innovations of its anonymous bulletin board system contained in the 2channel article, and that second claim is pretty much verified. Though I'm sure there's a better way to verify these claims, I'm pretty certain my half-assed ones would suffice. As for the other claims, they aren't that important to the article, and I've never really cared for them anyway, especially the last one. If those could be sourced, they can stay, if they can't be sourced, they probably will still stay as no one will decide to remove them, but if they are removed, I doubt that anyone will miss them much. They do seem to be more trouble than they are worth, as they hardly contribute anything substantial to the article. (Steampowered 09:42, 28 December 2006 (UTC)).

Neutrality

Most of the article is pretty neutral, which is good, but the 'Hal Turner' bit seems definitely biased. I mean: 'Hals radio segments refer to the attackers as 'pranksters', while in reality, they are warriors in the force known as Anonymous. Much like their organized raids against the infamous MMORPG Habbo Hotel, which is now held down by a spin off website conducting occupational raids, their assault on Hal Turner proved an unforseeable success. Although, many /b/tards still 'weep over those brave /b/rothas who never made it home'.' Warriors in the force of Anonymous? How dramatic! The 'infamous' MMORPG? It seems pretty ordinary to me. 'never made it home'? I find this whole section pretty bizarre. --71.125.20.130 01:17, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Hal Turner is not mentioned in the article currently, and Habbo Hotel is not mentioned either.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Added Hal Turner raids, as well as a news source verifying such information. --WootyWoot?contribs 20:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

This page is neutral desu! DESU! Blonde Knight of Teuton 12:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

DATE

I disagree with the date fotmat 2006-08-23 being used as this is US only and not NPOV which is important.

See WP:DATE. It is ISO date formatting that is supported by the MediaWiki software. This only really affects new users who have not set their preferences or anonymous users who do not have a Special:Preferences to set.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 02:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Well. that would be the International date formatting. US format is month-day-year, which I agree is very annoying. --King Nintendoid 18:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Start of 4chan

Does anyone know date when 4chan began, I think it would be a good addition to the article? 87.194.98.220 16:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

1 October 2003 Ashibaka(tock) 18:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Interwiki links

User:Thijs!bot has been linking Simple:4chan to this article. Unfortunatly, Simple:4chan is deleted and salted. I left a note on User:Thijs!bot owner's page (found on the Dutch wiki here: nl:User:Thijs!) so hopefully Thijs! can fix the bot. Although, a better fix would be to write up an article for the Simple English wiki to replace the salted page. Any volunteers? --Transfinite 04:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem was caused by a interwiki link to Simple:4chan from es:4chan. The links to Simple have been removed everywhere, so the bot should behave correctly. --Transfinite 18:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it really dead?

Checking the edit summary, I see 'rumours of closure'. When did this start happening, it was fine this morning. Pacific Coast Highway^{{talk • contribs}} 20:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

It seems to be down now. --WootyWoot?contribs 20:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

It always goes down. It's probably just a server hiccup. It's not like the 4chan Party Van has any need to shut it down.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

RUSHUR? I think we've got a V&, as 7chan and 12chan are down too. 420chan is barely working. edit: '[1/27 14:55:28] * moots changes topic to '4chan | oh no power failure | everybody dies'--WootyWoot?contribs 21:41, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

OH LAWD! MAH CHANS! Pacific Coast Highway^{{talk • contribs}} 21:49, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's up, except for /b/. Now, GET ON WITH YOUR LIVES. I know I will.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Duly noted. Pacific Coast Highway^{{talk • contribs}} 04:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Rumors of 4chan's closure are always in circulation. It's closed something like 4 times in the past, after all. Clearly you need to lurk more. :P 71.203.209.0 06:01, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Lurk moar! D:< Dieter Weber 23:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

4chan's dead. Prepare to kill yourselves. Vkeios 05:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I blame the Mooninites. Pacific Coast Highway^{{talk • contribs}} 05:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Memes again!

Can somebody please tell me why Wikipedia is biased against Anonymous, and allowes 400+ Articles on unimportant Pokemon characters,YET a page on Pedobear,Cockmongler is instantly deleted because its sexual in nature? Cockmongler is FAR more noteworthy then a Sneasle. i smell sum bias on Wiki's behalf. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EatMyCar (talk • contribs) 00:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

You may wish to take a look at Wikipedia:Verifiability. If and when multiple independent works about Cockmongler or Pedobear are published in reliable sources, having an article on either would be no problem. --Slowking Man 01:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

He also seems to ignore O RLY?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 01:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Ya rly! --Slowking Man 01:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

It's Grinman! --WootyWoot?contribs 02:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

No, you both fail it. It's Richard C. Mongler. Pacific Coast Highway^{{talk • contribs}} 02:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

While the subject of 4chan memes is open .. should SHOOP DA WHOOP, and the 'Im in your blank, blanking your blank' things be added to the page? Brain fork 05:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

No. Never. See WP:RS and WP:V.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't the existance of SHOOP DA WHOOP's image on google as well as youtube count for RS and V? Brain fork 06:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Those sources are unfortunately unreliable-- they can be used to astroturf, etc. Ashibaka(tock) 06:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

How about the fact that by searching SHOOP DA WHOOP on Wikipedia, one is automatically directed to a WHOOPless 4chan? Brain fork 06:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

People make stupid redirects. There is nothing that we can reliably source to the Shoop da Whoop/Lazer firin meme, nor cock mongler, pedobear, happy negro, teh Rei, Assdip-chan, being gay for Bridget, longcat, or Candlja—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:40, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Accordding to the Wikipedia article Internet Meme, 'When the jokes are reposted enough so that the majority of the websites users are aware of it, it becomes a meme.' Therefore, because the majority of 4chan users are aware of such memes as Shoop da Whoop, cock mongler, pedobear, etc. they should thusly be included in the article. Brain fork 22:41, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but their existence cannot be reliably sourced. We all know about them, but we cannot link to /b/ and say 'Look, there's Pedobear' because /b/ is too fast. A list of memes can never be reliably sourced, and frankly, most of Internet meme, unless the separate articles are sourced, should probably be deleted. O RLY? is the only one that I know of has had some level of press coverage. There's no critical commentary of Pedobear or the Cock mongler in any sort of newspaper or publication.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 22:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

But there are other places that can be linked to, such as Urban Dictionary that have been used in other articles as an authority. Brain fork 22:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Urban Dictionary is an unmoderated heap of neologisms and fail, not a reliable source. --WootyWoot?contribs 00:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Then why is it used on other articles as a source? If it's good enough for there, it's good enough for here.Brain fork 16:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Hal Turner

Deleted the Hal Turner article since 4chan had nothing to do with him. Instead, it were 7chan /b/tards and of course ebaumsworld people that did it.

You mean the Hal Turner section or the Hal Turner article itself? The lattter is still there. Pacific Coast Highway^{{talk • contribs}} 23:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

What are you, stupid? Hal Turner was raided by several sites, including, but not limited to: 4chan, 7chan, YTMND, SA, 420chan, and ebaumsworld.

February 8

What happened today? I got a message that I needed to double check something with this page today, and I found this massive entry trail. was this a planned swarm, or what?TheGreenFaerae 06:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Seems some 7chan users were bored and decided to vandalize the article because their site is currently down.GarTheDestroyer 08:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

How sad that some people have nothing better to do than useless vandalism..TheGreenFaerae 08:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[trolling comment removed] --WootyWoot?contribs 01:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Old news

All of this is fairly new news, why isnt there any history?Lurk more. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.178.123.11 (talk) 17:46, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

no u. No sources. --WootyWoot?contribs 19:31, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

It still says on the article that 4chan's /a/ and /z/ have only gotten over 1,000,000 posts. Shouldn't it be fixed to say over 2,000,000? It really bugs to see the wrong numbers on the articles Bonnielass 18:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Has /z/ gotten over 2M posts?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Lawl, /z/ doesn't exist. Anymore. (Steampowered 02:28, 12 February 2007 (UTC)).

Whoops, I meant /v/. Bonnielass 06:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't say that they have only gotten over 1,000,000 posts, it says that they are the only boards to have ever gotten past that number. I'm pretty sure no other boards have gotten over 1 million. (Steampowered 22:34, 11 February 2007 (UTC)).

Hmmm, but wouldn't it be nice if they knew how many posts there were at the moment for both boards? Bonnielass 06:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but do YOU want to update that all the time? Let's just keep rounded down to the nearest million for now, unless you start updating it all the time. That'll keep it up to date and accurate more of the time. (Steampowered 03:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)).

Inclusion of 7chan

I propose the including of 7chan to this page. While it may not be a major site itself, it is a part of the history of 4chan and should thusly be included. Brain fork 05:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

No. 7chan is not part of 4chan's history and its existence cannot be supported by any sort of verifiable or reliable sources.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 06:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Not true, Hal Turner's site, about twenty different blogs and assorted other wiki's all claim 7chan's existance and that it played an important role in the Hal Turner raids. In addition to this google turns up 89,100 hits on 7chan. Brain fork 06:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

None of those are reliable sources. --WootyWoot?contribs 07:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

lawl, anti-7chan conspiracy (Steampowered 08:40, 2 February 2007 (UTC))

Well, yeah, ever since Ian shut /i/ down, the whole site has bombed. --WootyWoot?contribs 08:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, well, seeing as tiled goatse is all that's on their front page at the moment, I don't see much room to say otherwise, even if I actually wanted to. (Steampowered 09:58, 2 February 2007 (UTC)).

Again I will cite Internet Meme, Urban Dictionary is cited as an external authority on on the definition of the word 'meme.' By searching '7chan,' one gets this. If Urban dictionary is credible enough for the Internet Meme article then it's credible enough to use as a source for the inclusion of 7chan. Brain fork 22:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

7chan.org is actually quite a big website, by far the second biggest chan in America. I think it should either be included or have its own page (preferably the latter). Also, it IS related to 4chan's history, as many members banned during the B-day crackdown are now patrons of 7chan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 169.244.216.6 (talk) 16:59, 15 February 2007 (UTC).

Now that 7chan and 420chan are down, they do deserve inclusion in this article. They are part of 4chan's history. In fact, a piece on /b/day is needed in this article. Your refusal to accept certain sources smack of bias against the internet in general. Saying that you can't prove the existance of 7chan is just plain stupid. Direct to the page, even though it is down.

7chan is back up now. And Wikipedia can be stupid sometimes. But, the rules, we must follow them. Pacific Coast Highway^{{The internet • runs on Rainbows!}} 18:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

/R/ some reliable sources and they'll be added. -WootyWoot?contribs 23:33, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Jesus, don't any of the wikipedia mods actually visit these sites!? 7chan is very obviously a site to merit it's own article or at least a mention in the 4chan article. 4chan and 7chan are intertwined in their histories, there is absolutely no reason why 7chan has no mention. Specusci 15:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

No reliable sources. Also, underage b&. -WootyWoot?contribs 18:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Mods want proof it exists? http://www.7chan.org might be a good place to start, and I think that the fact that you dont get a 404 is proof enough. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 169.244.216.6 (talk) 15:22, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

King James Version Bible Online

Well, depending on what idiocy Ian might conjure, it could very well 404. :- Specusci 17:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

/b/tards in other online areas

Working from experience in Second Life, I know that there are several groups that use either the overt /b/tard designation, or some other instance of /b/. I'm not sure how to link to these groups since the info is displayed in the Second Life Engine, so if anyone could help out, I would appreciate it. Also, I know some of you will say that they are not the same group, and I don't think they are either. But in Second Life, and, form what I hear World of Warcraft, there are groups that call themselves by these designations and even 'grief' other users. I wouldn't use grief in the article, because it would be blatant POV, but they are out there, and they deserve a mention.TheGreenFaerae 10:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Not a mention here, because this is an encyclopedia devoted to covering published and sourced work. However, on WoW and SL wikis, you might add them. Ashibaka(tock) 17:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

What Ashibaka said, also, most of those groups are old and have no members. PN is the leading SL raiding /b/ organization, but they don't 'deserve a mention' here unless they get some press coverage. --WootyWoot?contribs 19:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

WP:RS doesn't require a reliable source to be published, just third party and verifiable, which this would be. And there are groups that are far from defunct, such as the /b/rotherhood of the /b/lade, which i have dealt with on numerous occasions. This verifiability does block a good number of personal websites from being used as sources, but the fact that they are in the records of Second Life, which is far from a personal website, makes them verifiable enough to qualify.TheGreenFaerae 21:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

You do realize that anyone can set up a group in SL for 100 lindens, which is a negligible amount of currency in said game? --WootyWoot?contribs 23:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, yeah, but that still doesnt change the fact that said groups exist, does it?TheGreenFaerae 06:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Are they notable? Have the groups done anything to seriously disrupt SL? I'm a member of the Patriotic Nigras and even we haven't done anything of note on even blogs such as the Second Life Herald or the official Linden blog. --WootyWoot?contribs 06:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

There is a global security council (a coalition of anti-griefer groups) that lists your group, the Patriotic Nigras as currently being the biggest threat. This council is made up of such prominent anti-griefing groups as the Justice League, the Anti-Griefing Guild, and the GLC, so yeah there is notability.TheGreenFaerae 08:33, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to have to disagree with you about the Wikipedia part, and perhaps we can get a third opinion here, but could you link me to this security council? --WootyWoot?contribs 08:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I can give it to you in Sl, if you want to meet up that way. I am perfectly open to outside opinions.TheGreenFaerae 08:37, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

My IP range, MAC address, and hard drive ID have all been banned, can't do that. Could you just link me to a site? --WootyWoot?contribs 08:40, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

slbanlink.com has a list of names banned, and the notecard explaining reason for their bannings is usually membership with 7chan or the Patriotic Nigras. I could copy the notecards and all the relevant text form SL, but there is no way to hotlink it.TheGreenFaerae 08:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Also, there is no mention in the Second Life Herald, or the Linden Blogs, because only the most extreme cases, like the orb of destruction get listed there. The day to day stuff is sually not listed, because it's not vital to the grid.TheGreenFaerae 08:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

There has also been discussion that, as the tactics sued by soem fo these organizations constitute what is essentially a Denial of serivce attack, some major land woners have begun to discuss the idea of bringing the FBI in to deal with it.TheGreenFaerae 07:10, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Redirect from Pedobear

Why is there a redirect from Pedobear when there is no string 'pedobear' in the 4chan article at all?? 195.148.99.21 11:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

It was deleted for the longest time, and it was recreated in the past week. I have deleted it, again, and protected it from creation.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 21:22, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Please explain to us /why/ you did that? I was looking for 'pedobear' and it's not even in the 4chan article. --213.46.1.82 18:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Try another wiki, this is an encyclopedia of reliable facts and we can't include random crap Ashibaka(tock) 20:16, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, that's rich. The complaint is legitimate: an article should not redirect to another if the two aren't stated to be related explicitly. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.213.168.135 (talk) 04:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC).

Doesnt it go against Wikipedia standards to have Pedobear redirect to 4chan, and then have NO mention of Pedobear in the 4chan article?

I think we should delete the 4chan article too since it's just a website full of 'random crap' as you put it. Yongke 17:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

DDOS?

Hal Turner might've called it a DDOS attack, but from what I've been told it was just a legion of /b/tards accessing his site and thus eating up his bandwith. Which would make it no more a 'DDOS attack' than is the Slashdot effect. 71.203.209.0 02:05, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Hal Turner also said all minorities will go to hell. I guess if he says it, then it must be true. Yongke 17:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

71.203.209.0 is right. The Hal raid consisted of using up bandwidth and not much else. Some people ordered hundreds of dollars worth of pizzas, building supplies, etc. to his house, but that is pretty much the only illegal thing that anyone on 4chan or 7chan did. Specusci 14:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Something I noted..

I was looking through the 2ch article and it has large sections on apparent racism (against foreigners in general, there is an entire section on korean racism, etc etc) and I was wondering whether the 4chan article wouldn't be deserving of such a section as well. Just an idea, I haven't really thought it out much but feedback would be nice. Secunda1 02:25, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

We don't have reliable sources to 4chan's racism. 2ch is known throughout Japan, and is used for news and whatnot.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 03:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

The 2ch article is absolutely horrible. It is incredibly poorly referenced, especially the racism sections. This 4chan article is actually better referenced than the 2ch article. --TrollHistorian 17:12, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I contest some lines and want to see references for those statements

I added {{Fact}} to various lines and paragraphs that had no sources. If they appear in other sources already cited I want to know which one (by I mean I want to see the citations in the article). --TrollHistorian 17:12, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

BinSL.jpg

This image complied fully with Fair Use, as was explained in full on the photograph page. It was also used as a citation for the statement that /b/ exists in Second Life, which would otherwise be original research. I will not revert again, as it would violate 3RR, but it does belong there.TheGreenFaerae 07:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I would like to state that it seems the image is not needed as the statement it is used as evidence for has been accepted regardless. While it is still my view that the image was fair use, it may not be necessary anymore.TheGreenFaerae 09:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Stop updating the front page image every other minute

We don't need to have a completely up to date front page image every time moot posts something new, right? -WootyWoot?contribs 19:13, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

4chan Second Life Games

Yes we do. Floaterfluss 15:21, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Why? Specusci 15:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

No, no we don't. - furrykef (Talk at me) 16:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

There's no need to update this article everytime moot makes a post on the front page. It makes this article less-than professional to go 'OMG, IT CHANGED *upload to wiki*'.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 20:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

4chan Second Life